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Search Forums FAQ What's New ... Titles Euthydemus by Plato Tools and Options Table of Contents Search [Advanced] Search for: in this book only entire site Annotations Show Annotation Tools Preferences Member Login [Register] User Name Password Introduction. The The There To The Euthydemus is, of all the Dialogues of Plato, that in which he approaches most nearly to the comic poet. The mirth is broader, the irony more sustained, the contrast between Socrates and the two Sophists, although veiled, penetrates deeper than in any other of his writings. Even Thrasymachus, in the Republic, is at last pacified, and becomes a friendly and interested auditor of the great discourse. But in the Euthydemus the mask is never dropped; the accustomed irony of Socrates continues to the end... Socrates narrates to Crito a remarkable scene in which he has himself taken part, and in which the two brothers, Dionysodorus and Euthydemus, are the chief performers. They are natives of Chios, who had settled at Thurii, but were driven out, and in former days had been known at Athens as professors of rhetoric and of the art of fighting in armour. To this they have now added a new accomplishmentthe art of Eristic, or fighting with words, which they are likewise willing to teach 'for a consideration.' But they can also teach virtue in a very short time and in the very best manner. Socrates, who is always on the look-out for teachers of virtue, is interested in the youth Cleinias, the grandson of the great Alcibiades, and is desirous that he should have the benefit of their instructions. He is ready to fall down and worship them; although the greatness of their professions does arouse in his mind a temporary incredulity.

42. Plato : Euthydemus : Euthydemus (cont'd) CRITO Ctesippus! nonsense. SOCRATES All I know is that I heard these words,and that they were not spoken either by Euthydemus or dionysodorus. http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.8/bookid.1797/sec.3/

Search Forums FAQ What's New ... Titles Euthydemus by Plato Tools and Options Table of Contents Search [Advanced] Search for: in this book only entire site Annotations Show Annotation Tools Preferences Member Login [Register] User Name Password Euthydemus (cont'd) CRITO: And do you mean, Socrates, that the youngster said all this? SOCRATES: Are you incredulous, Crito? CRITO: Indeed, I am; for if he did say so, then in my opinion he needs neither Euthydemus nor any one else to be his instructor. SOCRATES: Perhaps I may have forgotten, and Ctesippus was the real answerer. CRITO: Ctesippus! nonsense. SOCRATES: All I know is that I heard these words, and that they were not spoken either by Euthydemus or Dionysodorus. I dare say, my good Crito, that they may have been spoken by some superior person: that I heard them I am certain. CRITO: Yes, indeed, Socrates, by some one a good deal superior, as I should be disposed to think. But did you carry the search any further, and did you find the art which you were seeking? SOCRATES: Find! my dear sir, no indeed. And we cut a poor figure; we were like children after larks, always on the point of catching the art, which was always getting away from us. But why should I repeat the whole story? At last we came to the kingly art, and enquired whether that gave and caused happiness, and then we got into a labyrinth, and when we thought we were at the end, came out again at the beginning, having still to seek as much as ever.

43. TMTh:: PHILONIDES OF LAODICEA Student of Eudemus, Apollonius of Perga (who called him the great geometer)and dionysodorus the Younger. Cited by Polybius and Stobaeus. http://www.tmth.edu.gr/en/aet/1/81.html

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46. EUTHYDEMUS By Plato, Part 08 And are you such an old fool, Socrates, rejoined dionysodorus, that you bring upnow what I said at firstand if I had said anything last year, I suppose that http://www.greekmythology.com/Books/Classic/plato/euthydemus_08.html

Plato Index EUTHYDEMUS by Plato, Part 08 And are you such an old fool, Socrates, rejoined Dionysodorus, that you bring up now what I said at first-and if I had said anything last year, I suppose that you would bring that up too-but are non-plussed at the words which I have just uttered? Why, I said, they are not easy to answer; for they are the words of wise men: and indeed I know not what to make of this word "nonplussed," which you used last: what do you mean by it, Dionysodorus? You must mean that I cannot refute your argument. Tell me if the words have any other sense. No, he replied, they mean what you say. And now answer. What, before you, Dionysodorus? I said. Answer, said he. And is that fair? Yes, quite fair, he said. Upon what principle? I said. I can only suppose that you are a very wise man who comes to us in the character of a great logician, and who knows when to answer and when not to answer-and now you will not open your mouth at all, because you know that you ought not. You prate, he said, instead of answering. But if, my good sir, you admit that I am wise, answer as I tell you.

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Plato Index EUTHYDEMUS by Plato, Part 03 The youth nodded assent. Then the unlearned learn, and not the wise, Cleinias, as you imagine. At these words the followers of Euthydemus, of whom I spoke, like a chorus at the bidding of their director, laughed and cheered. Then, before the youth had time to recover his breath, Dionysodorus cleverly took him in hand, and said: Yes, Cleinias; and when the grammar master dictated anything to you, were they the wise boys or the unlearned who learned the dictation? The wise, replied Cleinias. Then after all the wise are the learners and not the unlearned; and your last answer to Euthydemus was wrong. Then once more the admirers of the two heroes, in an ecstasy at their wisdom, gave vent to another peal of laughter, while the rest of us were silent and amazed. Euthydemus, observing this, determined to persevere with the youth; and in order to heighten the effect went on asking another similar question, which might be compared to the double turn of an expert dancer. Do those, said he, who learn, learn what they know, or what they do not know? Again Dionysodorus whispered to me: That, Socrates, is just another of the same sort.

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49. Euthydemus EUTHYDEMUS. translated by Benjamin Jowett. Persons of the Dialogue SOCRATES, whois the narrator ; CRITO ; CLEINIAS ; EUTHYDEMUS ; dionysodorus ; CTESIPPUS. http://www.ac-nice.fr/philo/textes/Plato-Works/15-Euthydemus.htm

Plato EUTHYDEMUS translated by Benjamin Jowett Persons of the Dialogue : SOCRATES, who is the narrator ; CRITO ; CLEINIAS ; EUTHYDEMUS ; DIONYSODORUS ; CTESIPPUS. Scene : The Lyceum Crito. Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum ? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking : who was he ? Socrates. There were two, Crito ; which of them do you mean ? Cri. The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown ; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking : the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Soc. He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus ; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. Cri. Neither of them are known to me, Socrates ; they are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine. Of what country are they, and what is their line of wisdom ? Soc.

50. Assignments Suggested Reading Demosthenes 55, Against Kallikles Demosthenes 56, Againstdionysodorus. That is, what happened according to Darius and dionysodorus? http://www.chs.harvard.edu/online_disc/athenian_law/assign.html

Assignments The moderated discussion forums are now closed to new postings, but you can still visit the Discussion Board and read already-posted messages (see link at left). Week 1: February 10-16 Week 2: February 17-23 Week 3: February 24-March 2 Week 4: March 3-9. ... Week 5: March 10-16 Please note that some of the Discussion Forum Topics below contain links to other materials. These links will not appear in the Discussion Forum itself, and due to the restrictions of the Forum, some of the Topics will appear in the Forum in shortened form. Week 1 Lecture 1. An Introduction to the Athenian Democracy Lecture 2. An Introduction to the Athenian Legal System Suggested reading: Demosthenes 54, Against Conon Supplementary reading: Blackwell, Development of Athenian democracy No Discussion Forum this week. Discussions will start next week. Back to top Week 2 Lecture 3. Transforming a Dispute into a Case

51. Law And Economy In Classical Athens Law and Economy in Classical Athens Demosthenes Against dionysodorus. EdwardM. Harris. Suggested Reading Demosthenes 56, Against dionysodorus. http://www.chs.harvard.edu/online_disc/athenian_law/lect_harris.html

Law and Economy in Classical Athens [Demosthenes]: Against Dionysodorus Edward M. Harris Brooklyn College Suggested Reading: Demosthenes 56, Against Dionysodorus Sometime around 322 BCE a man named Dareius brought a private action in an Athenian court against a merchant called Dionysodorus. Dareius and his business partner Pamphilus had made a loan to Dionysodorus and his partner Parmeniscus for a trading voyage to Egypt and back. In his opening words of his speech to the court, Dareius describes the risks confronting men who made maritime loans. "We who decide to engage in maritime trade and to entrust our property to other men are clearly aware of this fact: the borrower has an advantage over us in every respect. The borrower receives a clearly agreed upon sum of money, but all he leaves behind is just his promise to perform his legal duties in a small tablet bought for two obols and written on a tiny scrap of paper. We on the other hand do not promise to give the money, but immediately turn it over to the borrower. What do we place our trust in and what assurance do we receive when we part with our money? You and your laws which order that all agreements one makes willingly will be binding." In his closing words Dareius discusses the close connection between the role of the courts in enforcing contracts and the volume of trade in the marketplace of Athens.

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Login or Register Home Sophists Archive ... Forums 24 G(s) 4 M(s) Who are the Sophists? Sophists Sophists were a group of loosely connected group of individuals from the 5th and early 4th centuries B.C. Sophist means a teacher of rhetoric. It came from the term sophites which meant wise, prudent, statesmanlike or skilled at one's craft. They were basically traveling teachers that charged a fee for their lessons. "They taught many different things including public speaking, grammar, linguistic theory, moral and political doctrines, doctrines about god and nature and the origins of man, literary analysis and criticism, mathematics, and physical theories of the universe." Basically they would teach whatever was in demand. There were others but the most famous sophists include Protagoras of Abdera, who is considered the first of the sophists, Euclides of Megara, Hippias Of Elias, Prodicus of Ceos, and Gorgias of Leontini. Prodicus of Ceos was a disciple of Protagoras. He came to Athens as a ambassador. There he opened a school of rhetoric. He thought that the right use right words and the accurate discrimination of synonyms was very important. He teachings in Athens were at about the same time as the end of the Peloponnesian War. Prodicus considered himself a Sophist but defined one as "midway between a philosopher and a statesman." At one time Socrates was one of his disciples but according to Socrates, he did not learn anything from Prodicus. Socrates once remarked that he sent young men to Prodicus who he did not think could be helped by his own teachings. People loved to hear him speak even though he had an unpleasant sounding voice. His most famous work was "The Choice of Hercules". His other famous writings were "the Hours" and "on Nature". He was put to death in Athens for corrupting the youth, forced to drink hemlock, but it is doubtful he ever got a trial.

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Euthydemus Plato pacified by Socrates, who renews the conversation with Cleinias. The two Sophists are like Proteus in the variety of their transformations, and he, like Menelaus in the Odyssey, hopes to restore them to their natural form. He had arrived at the conclusion that Cleinias must become a philosopher. And philosophy is the possession of knowledge; and knowledge must be of a kind which is profitable and may be used. What knowledge is there which has such a nature? Not the knowledge which is required in any particular art; nor again the art of the composer of speeches, who knows how to write them, but cannot speak them, although he too must be admitted to be a kind of enchanter of wild animals. Neither is the knowledge which we are seeking the knowledge of the general. For the general makes over his prey to the statesman, as the huntsman does to the cook, or the taker of quails to the keeper of quails; he has not the use of that which he acquires. The two enquirers, Cleinias and Socrates, are described as wandering about in a wilderness, vainly searching after the art of life and happiness. At last

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56. Herakles On-Line: Genealogy Socrates wants to decide which family is superior. PLATO Euthydemus 297c.On whether Iolaus was more dionysodorus nephew than Herakles . http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6529/herakles_genealogy.html

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Key to Reading Unit 10 Cover Introduction Main Index Links ... Unit 10 1. Aristotle said that the roots of learning were bitter but the fruits sweet. 2. [There is] no lover who is not always in love ( lit . does not love always). 3. Everything mortal ( lit . all mortal things) has/involves many vicissitudes. 4. Fortune conquers and alters everything. 5. Hunger makes everything sweet except itself. 6. Time is the healer of all necessary evils. 7. Poverty lacks many things, greed [lacks] everything. 8. All the parts of life, just as of a statue, must be beautiful. 9. Did he commit all these injustices and violate the truce and break the peace or not? 10. For you did all this and this pleased all of you. 11. Ignorant strength often begets/produces harm. 12. But the noble man ought to bear disasters well. 13. Where a man is in pain, there he also directs ( lit . has) his mind. 14. In the face of necessity everything else ( lit . all other things) is weak. 15. But day and black night beget/produce many things for mortals. 16. A good man never ( lit . not ever) hates a[nother] good man. 17. To conquer oneself (

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Key to Reading Unit 12 Cover Introduction Main Index Links ... Unit 12 1. Time is the [only] difference between an angry man and a madman ( lit . an angry man differs from a madman [only] in time; i.e. passing from anger to madness is only a matter of time). 2. For the man who prospers life is short, for the man who is unfortunate [it is] long. 3. Nothing comes into being out of nothing ( lit . from the not existing thing); cf. the Latin nihil ex nihilo 4. [My] friend, are you getting married when/although you can buy a rope (sc. and hang yourself) ( lit . when ropes are being sold). 5. No-one who is ( lit . being) just gets rich quickly. 6. Toils [become] sweet when toil has been altered (i.e. a change in work is welcome). 7. What profit is there in outraging ( lit. to outrage) corpses which are no longer alive ( lit . no longer existing). 8. Although you are here you are absent. 9. Love flourishes when it is well-provided, it dies when it is ill-provided. 10. If the wine is finished ( lit . no longer existing) the Cyprian (sc. goddess i.e. Aphrodite, the goddess of sexual love) disappears (lit. does not exist; i.e. wine is a vital part of sexual love). 11. Everyone is a kinsman of those who prosper.

60. Euthydemus PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE SOCRATES, who is the narrator; CRITO; CLEINIAS; EUTHYDEMUS;dionysodorus; CTESIPPUS. dionysodorus, who was the elder, spoke first. http://www.meta-religion.com/Philosophy/Biography/Plato/euthydemus.htm

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