21. EUTHYDEMUS By Plato, Part 07 To be sure they do, said Ctesippus; and they speak coldly of the insipid and colddialectician. You are abusive, Ctesippus, said dionysodorus, you are abusive! http://www.greece.com/library/plato/euthydemus_07.html

Home Directory/Search Online Library News ... Travel/Hotels EUTHYDEMUS by Plato, Part 07 Plato Index To be sure they do, said Ctesippus; and they speak coldly of the insipid and cold dialectician. You are abusive, Ctesippus, said Dionysodorus, you are abusive! Indeed, I am not, Dionysodorus, he replied; for I love you and am giving you friendly advice, and, if I could, would persuade you not like a boor to say in my presence that I desire my beloved, whom I value above all men, to perish. Ctesippus said: And I, Socrates, am ready to commit myself to the strangers; they may skin me alive, if they please (and I am pretty well skinned by them already), if only my skin is made at last, not like that of Marsyas, into a leathern bottle, but into a piece of virtue. And here is Dionysodorus fancying that I am angry with him, when really I am not angry at all; I do but contradict him when I think that he is speaking improperly to me: and you must not confound abuse and contradiction, O illustrious Dionysodorus; for they are quite different things. Contradiction! said Dionysodorus; why, there never was such a thing.

22. EUTHYDEMUS By Plato, Part 12 you are really speaking the truth, and yet Ia little doubt your power to make goodyour words unless you have the help of your brother dionysodorus; then you http://www.greece.com/library/plato/euthydemus_12.html

Home Directory/Search Online Library News ... Travel/Hotels EUTHYDEMUS by Plato, Part 12 Plato Index Always; since I am required to withdraw the words "when I know." You always know with this, or, always knowing, do you know some things with this, and some things with something else, or do you know all things with this? All that I know, I replied, I know with this. There again, Socrates, he said, the addition is superfluous. Well, then, I said, I will take away the words that I know." Nay, take nothing away; I desire no favours of you; but let me ask: Would you be able to know all things, if you did not know all things? Quite impossible. And now, he said, you may add on whatever you like, for you confess that you know all things. I suppose that is true, I said, if my qualification implied in the words "that I know" is not allowed to stand; and so I do know all things. And have you not admitted that you always know all things with that which you know, whether you make the addition of "when you know them" or not? for you have acknowledged that you have always and at once known all things, that is to say, when you were a child, and at your birth, and when you were growing up, and before you were born, and before the heaven and earth existed, you knew all things if you always know them; and I swear that you shall always continue to know all things, if I am of the mind to make you. But I hope that you will be of that mind, reverend Euthydemus, I said, if you are really speaking the truth, and yet I a little doubt your power to make good your words unless you have the help of your brother Dionysodorus; then you may do it. Tell me now, both of you, for although in the main I cannot doubt that I really do know all things, when I am told so by men of your prodigious wisdom-how can I say that I know such things, Euthydemus, as that the good are unjust; come, do I know that or not?

23. Euthydemos By Plato expressions. But are you quite sure about this, dionysodorus and Euthydemus? it?Certainly, Socrates, said dionysodorus; our art will do both. http://www.4literature.net/Plato/Euthydemos/2.html

Books [ Titles Authors Articles Front Page ... FAQ Euthydemos by Plato Buy more than 2,000 books on a single CD-ROM for only $19.99. That's less then a penny per book! Click here for more information. Read, write, or comment on essays about Euthydemos Search for books Search essays would superior beings, and ask you to pardon the impiety of my former expressions. But are you quite sure about this, Dionysodorus and Euthydemus? the promise is so vast, that a feeling of incredulity steals over me. You may take our word, Socrates, for the fact. Then I think you happier in having such a treasure than the great king is in the possession of his kingdom. And please to tell me whether you intend to exhibit your wisdom; or what will you do? That is why we have come hither, Socrates; and our purpose is not only to exhibit, but also to teach any one who likes to learn. Certainly, Socrates, said Dionysodorus; our art will do both. And you and your brother, Dionysodorus, I said, of all men who are now living are the most likely to stimulate him to philosophy and to the study of virtue? Yes, Socrates, I rather think that we are.

24. Euthydemos By Plato The word was hardly out of his mouth when dionysodorus took up the argument,like a ball which he caught, and had another throw at the youth. http://www.4literature.net/Plato/Euthydemos/3.html

Books [ Titles Authors Articles Front Page ... FAQ Euthydemos by Plato Buy more than 2,000 books on a single CD-ROM for only $19.99. That's less then a penny per book! Click here for more information. Read, write, or comment on essays about Euthydemos Search for books Search essays But when the teacher dictates to you, does he not dictate letters? To this also he assented. Then if you know all letters, he dictates that which you know? This again was admitted by him. Then, said the other, you do not learn that which he dictates; but he only who does not know letters learns? Nay, said Cleinias; but I do learn. Then, said he, you learn what you know, if you know all the letters? He admitted that. Then, he said, you were wrong in your answer. The word was hardly out of his mouth when Dionysodorus took up the argument, like a ball which he caught, and had another throw at the youth. Cleinias, he said, Euthydemus is deceiving you. For tell me now, is not learning acquiring knowledge of that which one learns? Cleinias assented.

25. Plato TITLE 380 BC Part Two Translated By Benjamin Jowett I was pleased at hearing this; and I turned to dionysodorus and Euthydemusand said That is an example, clumsy and tedious I admit, of the sort of http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/plato_euthydemus02.htm

Xvans Xperientialism for that Xhilarating Xcogitative Xperience Greek Academy Reading Room Plato TITLE 380 BC Part Two Translated by Benjamin Jowett And when a man thinks that he ought to obtain this treasure, far more than money, from a father or a guardian or a friend or a suitor, whether citizen or stranger-the eager desire and prayer to them that they would impart wisdom to you, is not at all dishonourable, Cleinias; nor is any one to be blamed for doing any honourable service or ministration to any man, whether a lover or not, if his aim is to get wisdom. Do you agree? I said. Yes, he said, I quite agree, and think that you are right. Yes, I said, Cleinias, if only wisdom can be taught, and does not come to man spontaneously; for this is a point which has still to be considered, and is not yet agreed upon by you and me- But I think, Socrates, that wisdom can be taught, he said. Best of men, I said, I am delighted to hear you say so; and I am also grateful to you for having saved me from a long and tiresome investigation as to whether wisdom can be taught or not. But now, as you think that wisdom can be taught, and that wisdom only can make a man happy and fortunate will you not acknowledge that all of us ought to love wisdom, and you individually will try to love her? Certainly, Socrates, he said; I will do my best.

26. Plato EUTHYDEMUS 380 BC Part One Translated By Benjamin Jowett EUTHYDEMUS. by Plato. PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE SOCRATES, who is the narrator; CRITO;CLEINIAS; EUTHYDEMUS; dionysodorus; CTESIPPUS. Scene The Lyceum. Crito. http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/plato_euthydemus01.htm

Xvans Xperientialism for that Xhilarating Xcogitative Xperience Greek Academy Reading Room Plato EUTHYDEMUS 380 BC Part One Translated by Benjamin Jowett 380 BC EUTHYDEMUS by Plato PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: SOCRATES, who is the narrator; CRITO; CLEINIAS; EUTHYDEMUS; DIONYSODORUS; CTESIPPUS. Scene: The Lyceum Crito. Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? Socrates. There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? Crito: The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Socrates: He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. Crito: Neither of them are known to me, Socrates; they are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine. Of what country are they, and what is their line of wisdom?

27. Kei Ishii & Bernd Lutterbeck folgender platonischer Dialog abgedruckt dionysodorus dionysodorus. http://ig.cs.tu-berlin.de/w99/ir1/t07/

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28. 20th WCP: Two Kinds Of Paideia In Plato's Euthydemus that Plato s purpose in the dialogue is to contrast two educational methods eristic,as represented by the brothers Euthydemus and dionysodorus, and dialectic http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Anci/AnciSpra.htm

Ancient Philosophy Two Kinds of Paideia in Plato's Euthydemus Rosamond Kent Sprague University of South Carolina ABSTRACT: The structure of the Euthydemus Euthydemus is 'pedimental' in construction, although disagreeing with him as to where the central peripateia occurs. To place the turning point, as I would do, at 286E, is to show that the theme of the dialogue is paideia I Plato could hardly have made it more clear to the reader of the Euthydemus that his purpose in that dialogue is to contrast two kinds of education, to the praise of one and the detraction of the other. The very structure of the dialogue leads to this conclusion. Within an outer frame, in which Socrates' old friend Crito expresses anxiety about the education of his two young sons, are set five dramatic scenes. Of these the first, third, and fifth consist of displays of eristic technique on the part of two visiting sophists, the brothers Euthydemus and Dionysodorus. The remaining two scenes, the second and fourth, show Socrates in the exercise of dialctic. Not content with this overt juxtaposition of the two educational methods, Plato contrasts the two in subtler ways. Socrates and the young man Cleinias, for whose educational future he and his friends are concerned, are surrounded, not only by the alternating eristic scenes, but physically, in the actual seating arrangements indicated by Plato; Dionysodorus sits down on the left of Socrates, Euthydemus on the right of Cleinias. We appear to have an attempt on the part of eristic to encircle and imprison dialectic.

29. Reading For Spare Time And here I offer my old person to dionysodorus; he may put me into the pot,like Medea the Colchian, kill me, boil me, if he will only make me good. http://home.nextra.sk/dog/sitemap/bfile01317.htm

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30. Reading For Spare Time or speak? Neither and both, said dionysodorus, quickly interposing;I am sure that you will be nonplussed at that answer. Here http://home.nextra.sk/dog/sitemap/bfile01325.htm

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31. SOCRATES: The Sophists By Sanderson Beck Socrates Crito Euthydemus dionysodorus Followers of Euthydemus and dionysodorusCleinias Ctesippus Hippocrates Doorkeeper Protagoras Followers of Protagoras http://www.san.beck.org/SOC2-Sophists.html

BECK index SOCRATES The Sophists by Sanderson Beck (based on Plato's Euthydemus and Protagoras Characters: Socrates Crito Euthydemus Dionysodorus Followers of Euthydemus and Dionysodorus Cleinias Ctesippus Hippocrates Doorkeeper Protagoras Followers of Protagoras Hippias Prodicus Alcibiades Critias Callias Scene: A gymnasium in Athens about 430 BC in the afternoon. SOCRATES and CRITO are seated talking. CRITO Who were those people you were talking with yesterday here in the gymnasium, Socrates? I believe they were strangers. SOCRATES You mean Euthydemus and his brother Dionysodorus. CRITO I don't know either of them, but they must be the new immigration of sophists. Where are they from? and what is their wisdom? SOCRATES I believe they are native Greeks. They moved from Chios to Thurii, but fleeing from there they have been living for many years in this area. As to their wisdom, Crito, they are wonderful; they are truly all-around athletes, for they fight not only with their bodies and weapons

32. Euthydemus - Part I Crito, Cleinias, Euthydemus, dionysodorus, Ctesippus. b SCENE /b The Lyceum. Crito,Cleinias, Euthydemus, dionysodorus, Ctesippus. SCENE The Lyceum. CRITO http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/socialcommentary/Euthydemus/cha

Euthydemus by Plato translated by B. Jowett Terms Contents Introduction Part I ... Part III Part I ERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Socrates, who is the narrator of the Dialogue. Crito, Cleinias, Euthydemus, Dionysodorus, Ctesippus. SCENE: The Lyceum. CRITO Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? SOCRATES There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? CRITO The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. SOCRATES He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. CRITO Neither of them are known to me, Socrates; they are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine. Of what country are they, and what is their line of wisdom?

33. Euthydemus - Part III for if I am only in the same case with you and our beloved dionysodorus,I cannot complain. Certainly not, Socrates, said dionysodorus. http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/socialcommentary/Euthydemus/cha

Euthydemus by Plato translated by B. Jowett Terms Contents Introduction Part I ... Part III Part III hen I would much rather that you should prove me to have such a knowledge; at my time of life that will be more agreeable than having to learn. Then tell me, he said, do you know anything? Yes, I said, I know many things, but not anything of much importance. That will do, he said: And would you admit that anything is what it is, and at the same time is not what it is? Certainly not. And did you not say that you knew something? I did. If you know, you are knowing. Certainly, of the knowledge which I have. That makes no difference;and must you not, if you are knowing, know all things? Certainly not, I said, for there are many other things which I do not know. And if you do not know, you are not knowing. Yes, friend, of that which I do not know. Still you are not knowing, and you said just now that you were knowing; and therefore you are and are not at the same time, and in reference to the same things. A pretty clatter, as men say, Euthydemus, this of yours! and will you explain how I possess that knowledge for which we were seeking? Do you mean to say that the same thing cannot be and also not be; and therefore, since I know one thing, that I know all, for I cannot be knowing and not knowing at the same time, and if I know all things, then I must have the knowledge for which we are seekingMay I assume this to be your ingenious notion? Out of your own mouth, Socrates, you are convicted, he said.

34. 380 BC Socrates, Who Is The Narrator; Crito; Cleinias; Euthydemus; dionysodorus; Ctesippus. Butare you quite sure about this, dionysodorus and Euthydemus? http://ethics.sandiego.edu/books/plato/euthydemus/euthydemus.htm

380 BC Euthydemus By Plato Translated By Benjamin Jowett Euthydemus Persons Of The Dialogue: Socrates, Who Is The Narrator; Crito; Cleinias; Euthydemus; Dionysodorus; Ctesippus. Scene: The Lyceum Crito . Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? Socrates. There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? Cri. The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Soc. He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. Cri. Neither of them are known to me, Socrates; they are a new importation of Sophists, as I should imagine. Of what country are they, and what is their line of wisdom?

35. EUTHYDEMUS of the Dialogue Socrates narrates to Crito a remarkable scene in which he has himselftaken part, and in which the two brothers, dionysodorus and Euthydemus http://www.molloy.edu/academic/philosophy/sophia/plato/euthydemus_summ.htm

INTRODUCTION TO THE EUTHYDEMUS By Benjamin Jowett I. Introductory Comments The Euthydemus is, of all the Dialogues of Plato, that in which he approaches most nearly to the comic poet. The mirth is broader, the irony more sustained, the contrast between Socrates and the two Sophists, although veiled, penetrates deeper than in any other of his writings. Even Thrasymachus, in the Republic, is at last pacified, and becomes a friendly and interested auditor of the great discourse. But in the Euthydemus the mask is never dropped; the accustomed irony of Socrates continues to the end... II. Summary of the Dialogue Socrates narrates to Crito a remarkable scene in which he has himself taken part, and in which the two brothers, Dionysodorus and Euthydemus, are the chief performers. They are natives of Chios, who had settled at Thurii, but were driven out, and in former days had been known at Athens as professors of rhetoric and of the art of fighting in armour. To this they have now added a new accomplishmentthe art of Eristic, or fighting with words, which they are likewise willing to teach 'for a consideration.' But they can also teach virtue in a very short time and in the very best manner. Socrates, who is always on the look-out for teachers of virtue, is interested in the youth Cleinias, the grandson of the great Alcibiades, and is desirous that he should have the benefit of their instructions. He is ready to fall down and worship them; although the greatness of their professions does arouse in his mind a temporary incredulity.

36. Euthydemus Socrates He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand therewas his brother dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. http://www.molloy.edu/academic/philosophy/sophia/plato/euthydemus_txt.htm

Who Was Plato? The Platonic Dialogues Sophia Commentary Jowett's Introduction Plato Euthydemus Translated by Benjamin Jowett PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: SOCRATES, CRITO, CLEINIAS, EUTHYDEMUS, DIONYSODORUS, CTESIPPUS SCENE: THE LYCEUM Crito: Who was the person, Socrates, with whom you were talking yesterday at the Lyceum? There was such a crowd around you that I could not get within hearing, but I caught a sight of him over their heads, and I made out, as I thought, that he was a stranger with whom you were talking: who was he? Socrates: There were two, Crito; which of them do you mean? Crito: The one whom I mean was seated second from you on the right-hand side. In the middle was Cleinias the young son of Axiochus, who has wonderfully grown; he is only about the age of my own Critobulus, but he is much forwarder and very good-looking: the other is thin and looks younger than he is. Socrates: He whom you mean, Crito, is Euthydemus; and on my left hand there was his brother Dionysodorus, who also took part in the conversation. Crito: Crito: But, Socrates, are you not too old? there may be reason to fear that.

37. Polybius • Histories — Book 16 Just at the same time dionysodorus and Deinocrates, who were brothers and both ofthem admirals of Attalus, met with equally strange experiences in the battle. http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/16

38. Polybius • Histories — Book 18 Flamininus A comment or correction had with him King Amynander and the representativeof Attalus dionysodorus, and on the part of cities and nations Aristaenus http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/18

39. Central Greece 2; Socrates with dionysodorus ..162/1; Phanocleswith Apollonius ..161/0; Dioge http://www.hostkingdom.net/soubalk3.html

C entral G reece The stretch of mainland territory running from the Ionian Gulf to the Aegean, on the north side of the Gulf of Corinth. It includes the Ionian Islands on the west and Euboea to the east. Herein are some of the best-known sites in Hellas: Athens and Attica, Boeotia, Delphi, and Thebes among them. Tribe of Kourites Doros Polypoites Laodokos Kalydon ( in Kalydona Pleuron ( in Pleurona Agenor ( in both kingdoms Thestios ( Pleurona Evinos ( Pleurona=last king Porthaon Oineas Tydeas Oineas (restored) Agrios Oineas (re-restored) Andraemon ( in both kingdoms Thoas Aemon Oxylos First Aetolian League..............................5th cent. Second Aetolian League...........................c. 280-146 A partial record of leaders of this League... Dorimachos.....................................221-220 Skopas.........................................220-219 Evripidas......................................219-218 Agitas.........................................218-217 Agelaos I......................................217-216 Skopas.........................................212-211

40. Table Of Contents And Excerpt, Demosthenes, Speeches 50-59 Against dionysodorus (56) remains controversial the authors of one book (Careyand Reid 1985) express doubt that Demosthenes could have written the speech http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exberdem.html

Skip navigation Advanced Search Search our site 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 in. 237 pp. ISBN 0-292-70921-8 $45.00, hardcover, no dust jacket ISBN 0-292-70922-6 $22.95, paperback Demosthenes, Speeches 50-59 Back to Book Description Translated by Victor Bers Series Editor's Preface (Michael Gagarin) Translator's Preface (Victor Bers) Series Introduction (Michael Gagarin) Oratory in Classical Athens The Orators The Works of the Orators Government and Law in Classical Athens The Translation of Greek Oratory Abbreviations Note on Currency Bibliography of Works Cited DEMOSTHENES Introduction to Demosthenes (Michael Gagarin) Life Works Style Significance Supplementary Bibliography Introduction to This Volume (Victor Bers) Apollodorus Text 50. Against Polycles 51. On the Trierarchic Crown 52. Against Callippus 53. Against Nicostratus 54. Against Conon 55. Against Callicles 56. Against Dionysodorus 57. Against Eubulides 58. Against Theocrines 59. Against Neaera Index Introduction To This Volume By Victor Bers Although this volume of The Oratory of Classical Greece bears the title Demosthenes I, Speeches 50-59

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