81. - Comments On "Universal Health Care" spend. But let me make this clear Canada does not have socialized medicine it has rationed fee for service medicine. socialized http://www.insultsunpunished.com/wp-comments-popup.php?p=3027&c=1

82. TYSK - Health Care 30apr01, Canada Proposes Increased Privatization of their socialized medicine The logical argument here is if the private sector can deliver better, cheaper http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Health_Care/health_care.htm

Health Care SARS and the Bureaucratic Creep of "Public Health" David Boaz Bureaucracies are notoriously unwilling to become victims of their own success. So, true to form, the public health authorities broadened their mandate and kept on going. The People vs. Vaccines Dorothy Anne Seese With Uncle Sam's needle-in-hand mandatory vaccination laws about to be shoved into our systems, it's time we realized that we have a very personal stake in the laws our Congress passes. It can well be a matter of life and death. How Not to Improve Public Health Mercatus Center at George Mason University Right now, the biggest concern for community water systems and the households they serve is likely to be the threat of purposeful terrorist contamination of the water supply. The EPA, however, has handed communities an unwelcome distraction from the task of protecting the water supply. New Research Indicts Ritalin Journal of the AMA Ritalin Acts Much Like Cocaine Advanced research has answered a 40-year-old question about methylphenidate (Ritalin), which is taken daily by 4 million to 6 million children in the United States: how does it work? The answer may unsettle many parents, because the drug acts much like cocaine.

83. CET Archives: Re: Socialized Medicine -- Calling All Canadians! Re socialized medicine calling all Canadians! Maybe in reply to Christopher Zehnder socialized medicine calling all Canadians! ; http://www.cin.org/archives/cet/200006/0086.html

CET Archives Return to CET Table of Contents Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians! New Message Reply About this list Date view ... Author view From: Kathleen Murphy ( murphyk_at_travel-net.com Date: Mon Jun 12 2000 - 12:54:39 Next message: JohnLapham: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Previous message: Glen or Elizabeth Cuscino: "health care" Maybe in reply to: Christopher Zehnder: "socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Next in thread: JohnLapham: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Reply: JohnLapham: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Reply: smurd_at_atlantech.net: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" From: "Kathleen Murphy" < murphyk_at_travel-net.com Jumping in late here (sorry) with some long rambling thoughts on Canadian health-care. The personal anecdote side: I am Canadian and at 34 I'm young enough to have never known anything but tax-paid health care. However, I remember being told various horror-stories of families depleting their savings and selling their furniture and even houses to pay for the medical expenses of sick relatives in the days before. My brother is an

84. Socialized Medicine--One Size Fits None CL9902.html © 1999 Karen Selick socialized MedicineOne Size Fits None An edited version of this article first appeared in the February, 1999 issue of canadian Lawyer. http://www.karenselick.com/CL9902.html

Socialized MedicineOne Size Fits None An edited version of this article first appeared in the February, 1999 issue of Canadian Lawyer . If you wish to reproduce this article, Socialized MedicineOne Size Fits None Andrew Sawatzky, the elderly Manitoba man whose wife went to court to fight the "Do Not Resuscitate" order placed on his hospital chart, is probably part of a fairly small minority. His wife says he wants resuscitation if he has another stroke, even though the attempt might fail or leave him permanently unconscious. I discuss these life-and-death issues frequently with clients when preparing powers of attorney. The vast majority recoil from the thought of becoming brain-dead husks on permanent life support. Most say that if their doctors pronounce further treatment futile, they would rather accept the verdict and "die with dignity." But what’s right or wrong in cases like this can’t be determined by public opinion poll. It doesn’t matter what 99 people would choose, if the hundredth person wants something different. The question still remains: what should be done about Mr. Sawatzky? To me, the ethical principles that should be applied are simple. Everyone should be free to conduct his life however he pleases, so long as he leaves others free to do the same. It’s wrong to use force—including the force behind our court system—to bend someone to your will, except to enforce a contract the other person previously agreed to.

85. HEALTHCARE IN CRISIS! IF YOU THINK IT'S BAD NOW... socialized medicine is on Life Support in Britain and Canada. New Medical Malpractice Website Blacklists Plaintiffs. The Cost of Medical Care. http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/healthca.htm

HealthCare In Crisis! If You Think It's Bad Now... Back to the Freedom Page Back to the Fitness and HealthCare Page I've been in the healthcare field since 1971 when I got my first EMT. I've had an interesting time since then. A Navy Corpsman where I challenged the LVN then pre-med/biology at UCLA where I decided that being a MD wasn't right for me. U. of the State of New York for my RN. Helping with medical research projects at UCLA for fun, working in the med center there for 8+ years, working in a jail for about 5 years, and lots more. I've learned plenty about the field in the over 30 years in it. And what I see now scares me more than at any time previously. Right now is the most dangerous time to be a patient in a hospital since the invention of antibiotics. The cause of this change is the massive intrusion of the government into the healthcare system. The first bump I found came when the government mandated "DRG's". This stands for "Diagnostic Related Groupings". This happened in the early 1980's. This caused an immediate huge increase in the paperwork that doctors had to file and also, of course, an immediate increase in the money going into processing paperwork. Jimmy Carter had set up the healthcare administration bureaucracy to "manage" it, remember HEW for Health, Education, and Welfare?

86. BCCKEFGHIJKMPQRS quality of care. You also have a working knowledge of a contrasting healthcare system of socialized medicine as is used in Canada. http://www.gsu.edu/~wwwche/webquest5h.htm

UNITED STATES HEALTHCARE A SYSTEM IN NEED OF AN OVERHAUL Introduction: The United States Healthcare Delivery System is coming under increased scrutiny and criticism. Healthcare in the United States is becoming increasingly difficult to obtain, due mainly to increased cost, thus, becoming unreachable for certain segments of society. Many people see the need to restructure the entire healthcare industry, while others see the solution in a continuing free enterprise and market system. The Task: You are part of a bipartisan Healthcare Advisory Group (HAG), whose purpose is to examine all aspects of the United States Healthcare System. After completing a thorough examination of the system currently in place, your task is to recommend any changes necessary to make healthcare more affordable and accessible to all Americans. In order to complete this Web Quest you will need to answer the following questions: What role does the government play in healthcare? What do MEDICARE and MEDICAID provide?

87. Iowa State Daily | Online Edition Canada, for example, is the darling of many advocates of socialized medicine. But the realities of Canada s idealized system loom http://www.iowastatedaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/12/09/3fd684bb52c0f

@import url("http://www.iowastatedaily.com/css/default/styles.css"); @import url("http://www.iowastatedaily.com/css/default/iefix.css"); It seems like you are using an outdated browser. The online version of the daily uses standards-compliant code which might not be supported by your urrent browser. Although you will still be able to access the raw textual content of this site, we highly recommend that you upgrade your current browser to its latest version. More information. Sponsored Ad Iowa State Daily About Us Classifieds Advertise ... Archives June 07, 2004 December 09, 2003 COLUMN: Socialized medicine is 'the HMO from hell' Amy Peet is a sophomore in biology from Omaha, Neb. By Amy Peet Iowa State Daily Columnist One common position among the democratic presidential candidates is the drive for universal health care in this country. Before going to the polls next November, it's of the utmost importance all Americans scrutinize the implications of socialized medicine for themselves and their children. A front page story in last Friday's New York Times ("Hospitals Say They're Penalized By Medicare for Improving Care") explicitly illustrates the critical flaws of a socialized health care system, which Medicare indubitably is. For example, "[Doctors] who work to improve care are not paid extra, and poor care is frequently rewarded because it creates the need for more procedures and services." By removing the profit motive, you remove the motivation to excel. Why work hard when you get paid the same for hardly working?

88. IAD - Health Insurance In Canada Despite its universal character, Canada does not have a system of socialized medicine. Most doctors in Canada are selfemployed in private practice and paid http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/datapcb/iad/insurance-e.htm

What's New? Current Initiatives: Americas HIV AIDS Technical Projects Tobacco ... World Health Day 2004 About Health Canada Canada Health Act CHA Annual Report Canada's Health Care System Conferences Romanow Commission Kirby Senate Committee How Canada Compares - OECD Report Health Insurance in Canada Canadians take pride in the fact that, for six consecutive years (1994-1999), Canada was ranked the number one nation in the world on the United Nations Human Development Index for its enviable record in promoting human development. A major contributing factor to this prestigious distinction is our national commitment to universal health insurance, enshrined in the Canada Health Act . Known to Canadians as "Medicare", this crucial piece of legislation contains five key principles: universality - assuring full health care coverage for all legal residents; comprehensiveness - covering all medically-necessary hospital and physician services; accessibility - providing reasonable access to hospital and physician care, without financial barriers or discrimination on the basis of income, age or health status;

89. Wizbang: RINOs, Socialism Lite, And Drug Laundering If these mayors and governors are so enamored of the results of Canada’s pricecontrol system (and, by extension, it’s socialized medicine program), let http://wizbangblog.com/archives/002149.php

Explosively Unique... Main April 07, 2004 RINOs, Socialism Lite, and Drug Laundering New Hampshire has always been a very conservative state, and stalwartly Republican, for the most part. We’ve had a Republican-dominated legislature and Supreme Court for as long as I remember, and bloody few Democratic governors (usually when the Repubs nominate some right-wing whacko ideologue). We even had one nutball Republican governor on the 70’s who wanted our National Guard to be armed with tactical nuclear weapons. New Hampshire also claims to have invented the term RINO, for Republican In Name Only. Many candidates run for office as Republicans, while rejecting many of the principles of the state party, simply because many people vote the straight party ticket. Regardless of their platforms, a lot of voters don’t look past the “(R)” after their name to see the candidate. Some of these RINOs are moderates, some are quite liberal, and occasionally you will even find them pushing for out-and-out socialist positions. Our current governor, Craig Benson, is a Republican, out of the Arrogant Rich wing of the party. (They’re balanced by the Arrogant Stupid wing, or the ideologues.) He’s the former founder and CEO of Enterasys (formerly Cabletron), a computer-networking company. He ran on a fiscally conservative platform, and moderate to conservative social issues.

90. Gore Endorses Canada's Medical System I doubt that the majority of American voters are going to imitate Canada. Despite the many disasters of socialized medicine, there are a number of reasons why http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?control=1102&id=68

91. Re: How Bad Is SARS In Canada? in Canada. When (not if) SARS gets into the United States it will spread like wild fire. The neoconservatives scream and holler about socialized medicine but http://www.talkabouttravelling.com/group/alt.travel.canada.ontario/messages/3590

Home Traveling Canada - Ontario Re: How bad is ... Post 1 of 1 Topic 48 of 164 Re: How bad is SARS in Canada? by "Gord C" <gordsracing@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2003 at 05:33 AM Post 1 of 1 Topic 48 of 164 1 Posts in Topic: Re: How bad is SARS in Canada? "Gord C" <go Post A Reply: About Advertising Contact Frequently Asked Questions ... Signup Mon Jun 7 20:15:49 EDT 2004.

92. Boston Review 7 Woolhandler and Himmelstein, socialized medicine is Good Fortin and Lothar W. Rehmer, Health Information Division, Ministry of Health and Welfare, Canada. http://www.bostonreview.net/BR20.4/Clyne_fn.html

David Himmelstein, Steffie Woolhandler, and the Writing Committee of the Working Group on Program Design, "A National Health Program for the United States: A Physician's Proposal," New England Journal of Medicine 320 (January 1989):102-108. See also K. Grumbach, T. Bodenheimer, D. Himmelstein, and S. Woolhandler, "Liberal Benefits, Conservative Spending: The Physicians for a National Health Program Proposal," Journal of the American Medical Association 265 (May 1991): 2549-54. U. S. General Accounting Office, Canadian Health Insurance: Lessons for the United States , (Washington: GAO, June 1991), p.7. S. Woolhandler, D. Himmelstein, J. Lewontin, "Administrative Costs in U.S. Hospitals," New England Journal Medicine 329 (August 1993):400-03. V.R. Fuchs, T.S. Hahn, "How Does Canada Do It? A Comparison of Expenditures for Physicians' Services in the United States and Canada," New England Journal of Medicine Congressional Budget Office, American Health Security Act of 1993: H.R. 1200 (Washington, D.C.: CBO, December 16, 1993).

93. Definition Stereotype Sick Drug Testing Article Drug New Prescription Drug Infor effect pain america in socialized medical drug america clinic emergencye north medicine back product american association sleep illness canada dental insurance http://www.geo-uiuc.org/

center first health consumer drug information picture sexually symptom transmitted side effects ill-autism-child american-journal-of-sporte-medical-library edmonds-familye-disease journal-nursing-drug-recall ... medical library e hat alberta canada

94. News | Canada.com Network medicare. . Whether it is paid by chequebook, cash or credit card, though, private health care is already a canadian reality. Physicians http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=66c22c9b-bed7-4b7b-a34c-425972

95. Publicly Funded Medicine - Encyclopedia Article About Publicly Funded Medicine. the publicly funded medicine system is A private health service also operates in Canada. Social Security is a public organization (actually, several of them http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/publicly funded medicine

Dictionaries: General Computing Medical Legal Encyclopedia Publicly funded medicine Word: Word Starts with Ends with Definition Publicly funded medicine is a level of medical service that is paid wholly or in majority part by public funds ( taxes A tax is an involuntary fee or, more precisely, "unrequited payment", paid by individuals or businesses to a government (central or local). Taxes may be paid in cash or kind (although payments in kind may not always be allowed or classified as taxes in all systems). The means of taxation, and the uses to which the funds raised through taxation should be put, are a matter of hot dispute in politics and economics, so discussions of taxation are frequently tendentious. Click the link for more information. ). Publicly funded medicine is often referred to as socialized medicine by its opponents, whereas supporters of this approach tend to use the terms National Health Services The National Health Service NHS ) is the publicly-funded healthcare system of the United Kingdom. It was created on 5 July 1948 by Clement Attlee's Labour government, under health and housing minister Nye Bevan. The NHS followed on from the "Panel" system set up in 1911 under the aegis of Lloyd-George, and the primary care records are still stored in "Lloyd-George" envelopes although nowadays most working records in primary care are computerised. Click the link for more information.

96. The Independent Institute | Canada’s “Free” Health Care Has Hidden Costs, By in the New England Journal of medicine claimed that Socialist systems are notoriously oblivious to anguish, discomfort The Supreme Court of Canada will hear his http://www.independent.org/tii/news/040423Lemieux.html

The Wall Street Journal April 23, 2004 By Pierre Lemieux Proponents of the Canadian model praise its universal coverage and its apparent low cost. Total (private and public) health expenditures are only 10% of gross domestic product in Canada, compared to 14% in the U.S. A study published last August in the New England Journal of Medicine claimed that a third of this difference is explained by lower administrative costs in the Canadian system. But, among its other faults, this accounting ignores the hidden economic costs of Canadian health care. Gazette One last cost should not be ignored: the loss of personal responsibility and the habit of dependence on the state. Opinion polls show that Canadians are generally proud of their public health insurance. Indeed, for most people, any basis for comparison has been made illegal. Auberon Herbert Pierre Lemieux is a Research Fellow at The Independent Institute For further information, please see the book, American Health Care: Government, Market Processes and the Public Interest , edited by Roger Feldman. Op-Ed Index RETURN TO TOP OF PAGE

97. Let's Decriminalize Health Insurance, By Pierre Lemieux (socialized Medicine) The canadian system’s originality lies in the scarcity of specialized private clinics (and “private” often means “run by private doctors,” not http://www.pierrelemieux.org/arttwotier.html

Article published in the National Post , November 18, 2000, p. D-11 Let's Decriminalize Health Insurance by Pierre Lemieux S trangely, or perhaps conveniently, the political debate on public health insurance has ignored the system’s fundamental feature: private insurance (other than complementary insurance for uninsured public services) is forbidden by law. For reasons we will see, many people don’t believe this, or don’t believe it matters. Let’s look at a sample of provincial health insurance laws adopted in the late 60s or early 70s. – Ontario Health Insurance Act, section 14, subsection 1, titled “Other insurance prohibited”: “Every contract of insurance  for the payment of or reimbursement or indemnification for all or any part of the cost of any insured services  performed in Ontario for any person eligible to become an insured person under this Act, is void and of no effect in so far as it makes provision for insuring against the costs payable by the [Ontario Health Insurance] Plan and no person shall enter into or renew such a contract.” Non-government insurance is only permitted for non-insured services. “Insured services” are defined in section 11.2(1) as “prescribed medically necessary services” which are paid for by OHIP. – Alberta Health Care Insurance Act, section 17, subsection 2: “An insurer shall not enter into, issue, maintain in force or renew a contract or initiate or renew a self-insurance plan under which any resident or group of residents is provided with any prepaid basic health services or extended health services or indemnification for all or part of the cost of any basic health services or extended health services.” As defined by subsection 1, “self-insurance” basically means private insurance. An exception is made in subsection 4 for supplementary insurance “over and above the benefits payable by the Minister.”

98. Maine To Provide Universal Health Care - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics And we will all learn in the process, said Jay Wolfson, professor of public health and medicine at the University of South Florida. http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040329-102959-8881r.htm

March 30, 2004 Advertise Subscribe Site Map Front Page ... Poll: Two-thirds say Rowland should resign Maine to provide universal health care Under the voluntary program, people will be able to get health coverage through private insurers at rates subsidized by the state and participating employers. The program is fraught with uncertainty: How much will it cost when fully in place? How many employers will participate? How much will they have to contribute? And, perhaps most important, can the state pull it off as planned without a broad-based tax increase on individuals or businesses? "Making something like this work anywhere is an experiment. And we will all learn in the process," said Jay Wolfson, professor of public health and medicine at the University of South Florida. The program is designed to fill the gaps between private insurance and Medicaid that leave 160,000 persons in Maine uninsured. It aims to sign up 31,000 persons this year. All uninsured residents would have access by 2009. "No other state currently has as far-reaching a plan as Maine," said Howard Berliner, a health policy professor at New School University in New York City.

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