41. Sunfist - The Straw Men with two doctors. Both were canadian. Both came to America to get away from socialized medicine. They hated the system. I m not http://www.sunfist.com/strawarch/2003_11_30_strawarch.html

Home Dr. Lovemuffin Ludicrous World The Straw Men ... Extras This Week's Topic: 11.30.2003 - 12.06.2003: Socialized Medicine This area is pretty much like "Tough Crowd" except that we aren't annoying celebrities. We will have a new topic every Sunday. Friday, December 05, 2003 2:28 PM I am Alive!! The Rob Thursday, December 04, 2003 6:14 PM Where did that thing come from? I just wanted to say I'm not really sure where the weird "capital A with a ^ over it" came from in my post, but I don't know how to get them out. I don't really expect anyone else to, but if they can, that'd be great (a la Bill Lumbergh). I just wanted to make it clear they aren't supposed to be there. TYPO 5:51 PM How many times do I have to say that socialism is bad? I've said before that just because someone needs something doesn't mean he shouldn't have to work for it. I'll append to that statement the phrase, "...or pay for it." I agree with evilbob insofar as I am also against systems that specifically encourage the wrong kind of behavior. I think our major disagreement is what constitutes "the wrong kind of behavior"; I'm pretty sure this will be one of those disagreements, but I hope not. The major problem that I have with socialized medicine (or just about any other social entitlement program) is that it encourages fiscal irresponsibilty (the "wrong behavior" in this case) on the part of the recipient (governments are already fiscally irresposible, so they don't need any encouragement). By providing basic life necessities (e.g. food, shelter, health care, etc.), or the money with which to purchase them, the government removes from people the initiative and motivation to provide those things for themselves. I do not deny that people have basic needs. I deny that government should be the provider for those needs.

42. Canadian Conservative Forum - Quotations how much we wish to receive. Feb. 1999 from socialized medicine - One Size Fits None , published in canadian Lawyer magazine. http://www.conservativeforum.org/quotelist.asp?SearchType=5&Interest=70

43. BlogsCanada : E-Group Election Blog Eastern Standard Time, UTC0500) Comments 0. Thursday, 29 January 2004. canadian medicine socialized Yet so Similar to US. http://www.blogscanada.ca/egroup/CategoryView.aspx?category=Healthcare

44. Canada Opponents of the canadian model of socialized medicine argue that the system suffers due to the lack of competition. They argue http://www.applied-technologies.com/foundations/courses/systems/lesson10/02.htm

Back Next Canada During earlier lessons, you learned that healthcare in the United States is fully paid by the recipient (for those with no insurance), fully or partially paid by a private insurance company, or paid by government programs (for those who qualify). This is a largely private health system. It is not a fully private system because the government does provide funding for portions of the population through Medicare and Medicaid programs. Canada has a system of socialized medicine. This means that everyone has access to basic medical care from the healthcare system, which is funded through taxation. According to WHO, the Canadian government pays 70.8% of the country's total healthcare expenditures (in the United States the government pays approximately 44.4% of health expenditures). Opponents of the Canadian model of socialized medicine argue that the system suffers due to the lack of competition. They argue that government controlled healthcare contains no incentive for technological or clinical advances. They allege that in a system where healthcare is free for the recipients and providers are paid by the government that there is no motivation to improve productivity or efficiency and that patients can abuse the system by utilizing services unnecessarily. Proponents of the Canadian model of socialized medicine argue that the system allows all people ready access to quality medical care, regardless of their ability to pay. They argue that individual patients and society as a whole benefits when all patients have access to healthcare.

45. Socialized Medicine socialized medicine. of the healthcare system is private and how much is socialized differs from In the canadian system, this sort of mixed system is not allowed http://www.applied-technologies.com/foundations/courses/systems/lesson10/03.htm

Back Next Socialized Medicine Many other countries, including Japan, also have socialized healthcare. The healthcare system varies depending on how the system is set up, regulated, and administered, but in all industrialized countries the healthcare system is socialized in some way. How much of the healthcare system is private and how much is socialized differs from country to country. As you have read, the United States government pays approximately 44.9% of healthcare expenditures. Though the U.S. system is a private system, some portions of it (primarily care for the elderly and the very young and uninsured) are paid by the government to insure that these people have access to healthcare. However, people who do not qualify for government benefits must obtain benefits through their employers or private payment. Many healthcare systems, such as the Japanese healthcare system, are mixed. In these systems, everyone qualifies for some type of medical coverage (which may vary depending on factors such as employment status), but people also have the option of obtaining private pay services. In the Canadian system, this sort of mixed system is not allowed. While providers may offer private pay services that are not covered under their program (such as cosmetic surgery), they may not compete in areas that are covered by the government health program.

46. AlphaPatriot: Socialized Medicine From our Englishspeaking, democratic friends come two tales of socialized medicine. Our canadian neighbors are experiencing the results of removing the profit http://www.alphapatriot.com/home/archives/002434.html

Main February 27, 2004 Socialized Medicine From our English-speaking, democratic friends come two tales of socialized medicine. Our Canadian neighbors are experiencing the results of removing the profit motive from a vital market segment: A study by Ipsos-Reid found that two-thirds of Canadians felt that they had waited too long for treatment in the previous 12 months. Half of those people felt that their condition or that of a family member had become worse because of this delay. . . . Saying that there is "no doubt" that a shortage of health-care providers is a barrier to speedy care, the CMA called for the federal government to take action in its next budget, coming March 23. "Canadians are telling us that waiting for health care is making them sick and tired," said Dr. Sunil Patel, CMA president. "As a physician, I too am tired, tired of constantly defending the system to patients asking me why. 'Why must I wait so long for my referral, my tests or my treatment?'" And our British cousins' teeth are rotting in place Dentists are departing Britain's publicly funded National Health Service in large numbers, leaving a growing number of Britons without access to affordable care. The consequences for the nation's teeth cannot be good, the experts say.

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48. CET Archives: Socialized Medicine -- Calling All Canadians! socialized medicine calling all canadians! So, what do y all think of socialized medicine? Is the canadian system as bad as it is said to be? http://www.cin.org/archives/cet/200006/0016.html

CET Archives Return to CET Table of Contents socialized medicine calling all Canadians! New Message Reply About this list Date view ... Author view From: Christopher Zehnder ( lamission_at_tminet.com Date: Mon Jun 05 2000 - 04:12:25 Next message: Michael Smith: "Re: cet V1 #26" Previous message: Robert Waldrop: "New Better Times published" Next in thread: Andrew and Abigail Tardiff: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Reply: Andrew and Abigail Tardiff: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" Reply: Kathleen Murphy: "Re: socialized medicine calling all Canadians!" From: "Christopher Zehnder" < lamission_at_tminet.com Today I was talking to two folks who had moved from British Columbia to California some months past. One of the things in Canada they complained of is the government supported medical system. They complained of inefficiency, of the political control of doctors (specifying that they must perform such procedures as abortions), of the long waits (sometimes years) for surgery, of the exorbitant tax burden arising from the system. I have never been a

49. Getting Sick In Vancouver Basic control of the philosophy of socialized medicine resides with the Federal Government The down side of the canadian medical system is that you can often be http://www.vancouver.hm/sick.html

Search Site Sports Guestbook Site Map ... Links Click the banner above to return to Start Page. Getting Sick or Injured in Canada: Unlike the United States, Canada has a socialized medical system - sort of. Unfortunately, many visitors assume that if they become sick or injured in Canada, all their needs will be taken care of for free. This is not the case. (By the way, thanks to Jim Guthrie for correcting some of my information, hopefully everything here is as accurate as possible.) By the way, drugs are considerably cheaper in Canada than in the US. It is possible to get prescription drugs via mail order from Canada. standards here are as high, if not higher than in the US, so I would not be concerned about quality. There are several companies doing this, here is a link to a couple: Canadian Pharmacy - Canada Drugs Online or World Drug Mart If you do have to go to Hospital, however, they will not demand a credit card before treating you has has been the case on occasion below the border. You can be reasonably re-assured that should end up unconscious in an emergency ward, you will be treated without a credit check being done first. The only exceptions are private clinics, usually offering specialized services such as MRI's to individuals who are willing to pay extra for faster service. The medical system here is much cheaper than that in the United States, and its very unlikely you would face financial ruin if you ended up in hospital here without insurance. Even a moderate medical insurance policy in the U.S. would more than cover a hospital stay here, assuming it was valid outside of the country.

50. The Republic :: Kudos To Socialized Medicine idea of medicine is that commoditybased health care (the US system), is good and that socialized, government-operated healthcare (the canadian system), is bad http://www.1rev.net/archive/81-repub/81_keep.htm

Vancouver's Opinionated Newspaper The Republic Sarah Moser Cartoons Front Page Archive ... No 81 Kudos to socialized medicine A closer look at the US healthcare system reveals hidden costs and serious gaps in coverage by Mike Keep I am a Canadian currently attending an American medical school. Today, I began a course in Health Systems, which is essentially an introduction to the United States' medical system. The US system offers arguably the most advanced healthcare in the world, yet also the most expensive and disturbingly exclusive. I asked one of my American suitemates to explain the system to me prior to the beginning of the course, because its intricacies seemed too detailed and numerous to piece together on my own. Unfortunately, he was not certain how it worked. This is not uncommon amongst the American students here. In general, their idea of medicine is that commodity-based health care (the US system), is good and that socialized, government-operated healthcare (the Canadian system), is bad. Here are the facts. In recent years, Canadian healthcare spending per capita has been lower than in the US, even though on average, Canadians will visit the doctor more often and stay in the hospital longer. Canadians undergo the same treatments and take the same drugs, but we do it much cheaper. The US spends up to 300% more money than Canadians per capita to administer their healthcare system, and their overall healthcare spending is 40% higher than Canada's.

51. Socialized Medicine In The US Are You Kidding - Issues & Politics - SCOUTER Inte View member s profile Send Private Message Ignore this user, RE socialized medicine in the I realize that since I am canadian my views are heavily biased, but http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=41414

52. RE: Socialized Medicine In The US Are You Kidding - Issues & Politics - SCOUTER user, RE socialized medicine in the US are you kidding Posted Thursday, 10/9/2003 112654 PM Member to Member Private Message quality I am canadian and I http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=41414&p=2

53. Canada And The Health Century government in the 1960s, an era of maximum canadian confidence in the and the feasibility of what was proudly called socialized medicine. Although extremely http://www.aims.ca/Publications/Better/part1.htm

Canada and the health century Michael Bliss National Post Health insurance has comparatively shallow roots in the communities that in 1867 came together to found the Dominion of Canada. There was effectively no recognizable form of health insurance in the 19th century. The provision of health care was not a priority of the Fathers of Confederation; unlike education, health care was not discussed at all. The British North America Act, still the governing document of Canada's constitution, does not contain the word "health." Before the 1920s, the predominant sense was that a young, hard, prosperous North American country was relatively insulated from the worst of Old World problems and did not need Old World policies. The national symbol of Canada at the beginning of the 20th century was tough, sleeves-rolled-up, Johnny Canuck, who was busy logging and making railways and clearing land and playing hockey and getting ready by 1914 to volunteer to fight the Huns in France. The idea of somebody providing unemployment insurance, or pensions, or health insurance for Johnny, or for his good-looking and wholesome little sister, Janey, seemed preposterous. Judging by its real roots, health insurance had something to do with European countries' "identity." Canadians' desire for access to health care increased steadily as medical diagnosis and treatment became steadily more effective and costly. Canadians wanted to be able to visit doctors, wanted access to the modern hospital. In what has been called "the health century", health care was becoming constantly more important in everyday life. Doctors, the private citizens who had been traditionally expected to provide free health-care services, were among the leaders in discussing health insurance. As an Ontario family doctor put the issue in 1944: "Every day I see patients who are getting inadequate medical service, both diagnostic and curative, because they are unable to pay for it, or if they do pay they are left with insufficient money to provide a decent standard of living. Every such case is a demand, even though usually unexpressed, for some form of health insurance."

54. General [M]ayhem - Is Socialized Medicine In Brittain About To Collapse? for awhile and let you geniuses think of some more alternatives to socialized medicine. canadian PyRo. There are huge budget deficiencies in every example of http://www.genmay.net/archive/index.php/t-332972.html

General [M]ayhem The Pit View Full Version : Is socialized medicine in Brittain about to collapse? fatrat http://yalenewhavenhealth.org/HealthNews/Reuters/20040203elin015.htm I don't know, but using paper clips in place of sutures and tongue depressors in place of splints is a sure sign something isn't right in Brittain. It sounds like the socialized medicine system is running out of money again, and they are using these methods to conserve cash. While the home governemnt is admitting this and condemning the physicians for doing this, don't you think it's a little strange it is happening at all? Is this is what is in store for America when John Kerry socializes medicine? Will we have to cut quality for quantity too? John Kerry is not going to socialize medicine. fatrat Originally posted by BBnet3000 John Kerry is not going to socialize medicine. I pray he doesn't get elected. But maybe you can shed some light on this one for me? I am under the impression he is advocating this and has proposed a 900 billion budget for it. Can you clarify?

55. Socialized Medcine: Coming To 2More than 50 organizations are banding together to bring socialized medicine to Massachusetts. Our system, he explains, won’t mean canadian or British http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/other/9_Sep/scmdmass.htm

POLITICS Return to Front Page Socialized Medicine: Coming to Massachusetts? Organizations are Banding Together to Bring "Single-Payer" Health Care to the Bay State Massachusetts News By Naomi Schaefer September 2 More than 50 organizations are banding together to bring socialized medicine to Massachusetts. They have formed a group called Mass-Care There are 15 Senators on Beacon Hill who support the proposal and 49 Representatives in the House. They claim that the Senate President has indicated his support. The lead sponsor in the Senate is Robert Travaglini (D-Boston). This has been done very quietly so far. Consumers appear to have little knowledge of the effort. It is similar to the failed attempt by Bill Clinton in 1994 to put the federal government in charge of hospitals and doctors. The matter surfaced briefly at the end of April when Alan Sager, a professor at Boston University School of Public Health, and three of his colleagues published an article in The Boston Globe detailing the plans for a single-payer health care system in Massachusetts. They cited the high number of uninsured Massachusetts residents (about ten percent) and concluded that there was a significant need for reform of the health care system. Their solution: Take all the money, both public and private, currently spent on health care and give it to the state, which would give people the money as they need it to pay for an insurance plan or HMO of their choice.

56. CoCo9: Student Links Enjoy! Nicole Savickas on Fri Feb 6 181324 1998 wrote socialized medicine The canadian Experience An article discussing the canadian system of healthcare. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~coco9/s_links.html

Course information Course schedule Reading list Discussions ... Course links Student links Extra links This page contains a selection of links that students in the course have been collecting over the term. They are sites relevant to the course topics. Each entry lists the student's name, the site name linked to the site, and a brief description of the site. The list will be expanding throughout the term. Students can also use this page to add a link Wilson Liu on Wed Jan 14 19:05:51 1998 wrote: The American Medical Student Association The site contains information on AMSA; it states their objectives, descibes current projects, and also has many other items of interest. Nicole Savickas on Fri Feb 6 12:09:23 1998 wrote: A Hard Lesson About Socialized Medicine This is an article that talks about the problems of socialized medicine in Europe, and relating them to the American system, namely, Medicare. Nicole Savickas on Fri Feb 6 12:12:30 1998 wrote: Socialized medicine deemed unhealthy A commentary on healthcare as a human right. Whoops...

57. Cloning Canadian Health Care, By Robert W. Lee Once cited as the showcase of socialized medicine, the British system is seldom mentioned percent of all healthcare costs, compared to 74 percent in Canada. http://www.reformed-theology.org/jbs/html/cloning_canadian_health_care.htm

John.Birch.org Cloning Canadian Health Care by Robert W. Lee On June 4th, the General Accounting Office released a draft report about Canada's 20-year-old system of nationalized health care, concluding that our own federal government could extend health care to every American (an estimated 31 million of us are said to be presently uninsured), and actually save money, by cloning major elements of the Canadian plan. Meanwhile, news reports from Canada continue to document the deteriorating status of our northern neighbor's health regimen. On June 13th, for instance, the Washington Times revealed that increasing numbers of Canadian doctors are on the verge of moving to the United States because, according to British Columbia Medical Association Director D. Norm Finlayson, "an awful lot" of them are "totally frustrated" by red tape, waits for hospital beds, and paltry government-regulated pay increases. Dr. Finlayson contends that his country's national health system is in danger of collapse. System in Jeopardy On June 24th, the Reuters News Agency quoted Canadian Nurses Association President Alice Baumgart as claiming that "Canada's health care system ... is in real jeopardy." For years, she asserted, emergency rooms have been so overcrowded that patients frequently line the corridors awaiting treatment.

58. HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE :: Can 7,700 Doctors Be Wrong About Health Care? group representing some 7,700 physicians used the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) to champion canadianstyle socialized medicine for America http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=1926

59. Allnurses.com - Nursing Discussion Board For Nurses allnurses.com Nursing Discussion Board for Nurses Nursing Discussions By Locations canadian Nursing Discussion socialized medicine pros and cons. http://allnurses.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-57128

allnurses.com - Nursing Discussion Board for Nurses Nursing Discussions By Locations Canadian Nursing Discussion View Thread : Socialized medicine pros and cons I'm doing a report on Socialized medicine and dont know much about how people feel about it as I live in Idaho.What are any of you Canadian nurses feelings about it? Good or Bad? It depends on how you define "socialized" medicine. The system here is government funded, but not directly government run. Those are very different things. You should also know there are several parts of the Canadian system that are privatized (including surgical centers, MRIs, etc). As far as our system, go to any thread on universal health care and you'll get an email. I would not trade our system for an American style system, and over 90% of Canadians agree with me. The system here has problems with wait times, improper use of resources and drug approval times in particular, but so does the US. I like the system here. I never have to worry about going broke if I happen to get sick, I can pick my own doctor (despite what people think), I can seek treatment anywhere in the country without worry and I have never been refused treatment or had to wait a long time for anything. My dad even had knee surgery the year before last and only had to wait about 6 weeks. Considering the fact that it was completely elective and that they supposedly have the longest waiting time for ortho surgeries and I don't think that's bad at all... This is a reply I posted to another American who had specific questions about our system, I hope you find it helpful.

60. 2002_03 | Some Lessons To Be Learned From Canadian Health System MANAGED CARE March 2002. ©MediMedia USA. socialized medicine. Some Lessons To Be Learned From canadian Health System. Our neighbors http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0203/0203.canada.html

Search this site STAY INFORMED Get Managed Care's table of contents every month by email. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE Some Lessons To Be Learned From Canadian Health System Our neighbors to the north deliver care that is cheaper, but there are disputes concerning quality and growing unrest with irrational rationing. By Marlene Piturro, PhD, MBA Resources are finite. Demand is infinite. The United States and Canada have built health care systems that attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable imbalance between supply and demand differently. Adjacent geographically, the two nations often seem worlds apart on health care financing and delivery. Canada publicly finances and privately delivers universal health care coverage with 10 provincial and 2 territorial governments linked through adherence to federal standards. Each provincial plan must adhere to the Canada Health Care Act of 1984's stipulations that it be publicly administered, comprehensive, universal, accessible, and portable. In contrast, the U.S. relies on a mix of public and private payers that leaves over 40 million uninsured, some underinsured, and some with too generous coverage. Canada's system is fee for service; there are no copayments, deductibles, or third-party intermediaries controlling utilization. Canada, U.S. at a glance

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