21. NR092900: British, Canadian Experience Shows Folly Of Socialized Medicine, Analy NR092900 British, canadian Experience Shows Folly of socialized medicine, Analyst Says. canadian Experience Shows Folly of socialized medicine, Analyst Says http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/NR092900.cfm

site map help contact us The Heritage Foundation ... News Releases NR092900: British, Canadian Experience Shows Folly of Socialized Med. Policy Weblog News Release Archive Commentary Archive Heritage Experts ... Return Home British, Canadian Experience Shows Folly of Socialized Medicine, Analyst Says WASHINGTON, Sept. 29, 2000— Even as some Americans head north to get cheaper prescription drugs from Canada, many more Canadians are heading south—to buy the drugs and vital medical services they can’t get at any price under their country’s highly touted system of government-run health care. Lack of access to prescription drugs—an inevitable result of the rationing that occurs under nearly every form of socialized medicine—is only one of the problems patients encounter with the so-called "universal health coverage" found in Canada and Britain, a new Heritage Foundation paper says. Vice President Al Gore recently predicted the United States would adopt such a system "within this decade." But according to Heritage healthcare expert James Frogue, that means U.S. patients would be forced to suffer the same fate as their counterparts in Britain and Canada: long waiting lists, government rationing and substandard care. The waiting lists for treatment in both countries, even for serious conditions, are notoriously long, Frogue says. One Canadian cardiologist, Dr. Richard Davies, recently wrote in the

22. NR092900: British, Canadian Experience Shows Folly Of Socialized Medicine, Analy British, canadian Experience Shows Folly of socialized medicine, Analyst Says WASHINGTON, Sept. 29, 2000—Even as some Americans http://www.heritage.org/Press/NewsReleases/NR092900.cfm?RenderforPrint=1

23. Group Posts - Full have consequences). 3 Lessons From the North (Hard, cold truth about canadian health care.) To *socialized medicine. 3 posted on http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/involved?group=405

24. Take It From A Patient Canada S System Works Canada does not have socialized medicine. The canadian government does not decide who gets care or when they get it; doctors and patients decide. http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1110-12.htm

Home Newswire About Us Donate ... Archives Featured Views Printer Friendly Version E-Mail This Article Published on Monday, November 10, 2003 by CommonDreams.org Take It From A Patient: Canada's System Works by Sandy Smith Madsen "It is unconscionable that we ration health care by the ability to pay.... your heart breaks. Health care should be a given." Kathryn Anastos, U.S. physician Although I was born and raised in Tennessee, I was served well by Canada¹s universal health-care system during the 13 years that I lived in Canada. As a legal resident, I was entitled to the same high level of health-care benefits enjoyed by all Canadian citizens. I was free to go to any doctor, anywhere, anytime. Three of my children were born in Canada. The bill for the birth of my youngest Canadian-born daughter was $3.00. This bill covered excellent prenatal care, delivery, and a private hospital room. It included visits to my home by a nurse and by my doctor, visits that were made as follow-up care after a normal, healthy delivery. While home visits by doctors are not standard procedure, in a country that views health care as a public service, it can happen. There are now 43.6 million Americans without health insurance and another 40 million who are under-insured. U.S. employers are cutting back on health benefits, claiming they can¹t compete as long as the U.S. is the only major industrialized nation that expects employers to provide health insurance.

25. Anything Prose: Canadian Medicine -- Socialized Yet So Similar To The U.S. Model January 29, 2004. canadian medicine socialized Yet so Similar to the US Model. Ivan, in a POST on EGroup earlier today, wrote http://anythingprose.typepad.com/anything_prose/2004/01/canadian_medici.html

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26. Canadian Medicine: Tom Douglas medicine was not due to a medical skill or great discovery, but as the father of canadian health care. He introduced socialized medicine (statesponsored and http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/doctor

Canadian Medicine: Doctors and Discoveries Part III The Nature of Health Care Delivery What medical services are available to a society? How does one secure such medical services and/or treatments? Who pays for this? The system in which health care is delivered affects how medicine is practiced and how the sick are treated in any country. Throughout history, doctors and patients have negotiated and shaped the delivery of medical care. In Canada, it was a politician from Western Canada, Thomas C. "Tommy" Douglas, who led the movement towards universal health care, a government-sponsored system that ensured open and equal access to medical services for all Canadians. Thomas C. Douglas: "The Father of Canadian Health Care" Thomas C. Douglas (1904-1986) was not a doctor; he was a politician from Saskatchewan. His contribution to Canadian medicine was not due to a medical skill or great discovery, but as "the father of Canadian health care." He introduced socialized medicine (state-sponsored and salaried-physician medical care) to the province of Saskatchewan during his 44-year political career. Douglas envisioned and worked towards a universal system of health care that moved beyond provincial to national enactment, and today has become the envy of most countries in the world. Douglas entered politics in the 1930s in Saskatchewan as a member of the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (CCF), the

27. Canadian Medicine: Study Guide T or F; Wilder Penfield s open brain surgery caused the patient much pain. T or F; The canadian Medical Care Act is a form of socialized medicine. http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/doctor

Canadian Medicine: Doctors and Discoveries Study Guide Note the vocabulary word, true/false or answer cue: when you click "Back" you may have to scan text to find your place again. Vocabulary pathology: the scientific study of a disease: its causes, processes, development, and consequences suffrage: The right or privilege of voting meager: deficient, scanty bloodletting the removal of blood as a therapeutic measure. hypothesis an assertion from which a conclusion is drawn; an assumption used as the the basis for action unequivocal clear; not open to misunderstanding endocrinology the study of the endocrine or "ductless glands" (those glands which secrete directly into the blood stream. ambiguity the state of being doubtful, uncertain, open to many interpretations Socialism a social system in which the producer possesses both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods. Fascism a system of government that advocates a dictatorship which merges state and business leadership together with aggressive nationalism thoracic having to do with the thorax: the part of the body between the neck and the diaphragm partially encased by the ribs; the chest

28. Archive | April 24, 2000 | Socialized Medicine Leaves A Bad Taste In Patients' M socialized medicine leaves a bad taste in patients mouths. Last fall, a colleague of mine visited the canadian province of Manitoba. http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0400socmed.htm

Socialized medicine leaves a bad taste in patients' mouths By Lawrence W. Reed web posted April 24, 2000 Hospital food is rarely mistaken for gourmet cuisine anywhere, but at least in Michigan it is not an issue over which major political campaigns are waged. In Canada, however, it isand the lesson it provides for American health care is profound. Last fall, a colleague of mine visited the Canadian province of Manitoba. With just a few days left before the elections, political campaigning there was at a fever pitch. My friend was astonished to observe that the dominant issue was indeed hospital food. The patients of Manitoba's hospitals had complained for months about the introduction of "re-thermalized food"cut-rate meals prepared 1,300 miles away in Toronto, then frozen and shipped to Manitoba where they are nuked in microwaves and served. Peter Holle, president of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy in Winnipeg, explained that re-heating meals was a cost-saving "innovation" of government bureaucrats employed by regional health authorities. "Never mind that they taste like cardboard," says Holle. "Never mind that individual tastes and circumstances might dictate decentralized food services. Re-heated meals became a symbol of efficiency for the supposedly compassionate do-gooders in government. Why pay hundreds of workers in dozens of Manitoba kitchens when we can just zap up frozen dinners from Toronto?" As it turned out, the incumbent government in Manitoba and many of its supporters went down to defeat. Vile victuals were a key reason.

29. Report From The States: Washington State Battles Socialized Medicine --- Again Washington State Battles socialized medicine Again. as long as the government admits and come to US border towns either under canadian government contract http://www.haciendapub.com/report2.html

Report From the States Washington State Battles Socialized Medicine - Again Thomas J. Mueller, MD Describing what is currently happening in Washington State can be categorized as the good, the bad, and the ugly. First the not so good news: If you're in a state bordering with our neighbors to the north it doesn't take much effort to determine that the single payer (Medicare) system of Canada is faltering in a number of areas. Physicians are leaving Canada in droves and settling in many northern locations like Bellingham, Washington. Patients can escape the clutches of the statist system where waiting lists are typically twice as long as the government admits and come to U.S. border towns either under Canadian government contract or the totally private system of our fee-for-service model. Yet with the plethora of examples indicating how stifling the Canadian medical system is, there are a growing number of physicians here in Washington State who want to import that same system. The group sponsoring the initiative to turn all Washingtonians into the same medical slaves as those in all of Canada were at the recent Washington State Medical Association (WSMA) House of Delegates meeting held in Spokane. There they argued for their effort to create the utopian government model of the ages, giving not only all private insurance monies to an "accountable TRUST" but also all public monies as well, including Medicaid and Medicare, thus requiring fundamental changes in both state and federal legislation before their system can be implemented. Thankfully, arguments against their initiative abounded. But they haven't disappeared. They will merely regroup and resurface in time to put their initiative out and try to have it placed on the November 2000 ballot. Can you imagine the entire

30. Canada's Fatal Error --- Health Care As A Right (Part I) Why? Did not the profession agree to be part of socialized medicine? the physician today finds himself with few friends in the canadian social/political scene. http://www.haciendapub.com/aubrey.html

Feature Article Canada's Fatal Error - Health Care as a Right (Part I) Michael E. Aubrey, MD There is something wrong with medicine in Canada today. This conclusion can and probably has been reached by any member of the profession who has paused from his or her daily endeavors to consider the current state of medicine in this country. Despite rather remarkable advances in the art and science of medicine patient care is deteriorating. The availability of medical services is diminishing and waiting lists are growing longer. Patients are often obliged to seek medical care in facilities far from home. The cost of health care in Canada has been spiralling upwards out of control, and predictions for the future portend the collapse of what was once an excellent health care system. Caught in the middle of the unfolding disaster is the Canadian physician. On one side the profession finds itself beset by abusive governments that seek to offset the collapse by controlling the physician and the way he practices his profession. On the other side is the public who, for the past quarter century has been told by the organizers of socialized medicine that health care is now "free," and that all they need do is to profess a need for any service and it will be provided. With the consequent open ended demand being placed on finite resources it was only a matter of time before the situation deteriorated to its current state.

31. DUCK - Doctors For Universal Coverage And Kindness Reprinted with permission. Recently, canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien changed his mind about his country s system of socialized medicine. http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/block.htm

1601 N. Tucson Blvd. Suite 9 Tucson, AZ 85716-3450 Phone: (800) 635-1196 Hotline: (800) 419-4777 Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc. A Voice for Private Physicians Since 1943 Omnia pro aegroto SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS THE PROBLEM by Walter Block Part-time Vancouver resident Walter Block (wblock@loyno.edu) is Harold E. Wirth Eminent Scholar Chair Professor of Economics in the College of Business Administration at Loyola University, New Orleans. First published in Ideas on Liberty, December 2001, by the Foundation for Economic Education, 30 South Broadway, Irvington-on-Hudson, NY 10533. Reprinted with permission. Recently, Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien changed his mind about his country's system of socialized medicine. After long and hard opposition, he now favors a two-tier health system, including user fees and private provision. This makes it all the more important to take another look, not just at the surface of state-run medical care, but at its basic principles. Ever since Vancouver Canuck hockey player Daniel Sedin jumped the health-care queue with his herniated and ruptured lower back disc, there has been an outbreak of wailing and gnashing of teeth on the part of defenders of socialized medicine. Nor was this the only such high-profile case. About a year ago Grizzlies basketball center Bryant "Big Country" Reeves hurt his ankle and was similarly catapulted to the head of the medical waiting list. But beyond such headline-grabbing cases there are numerous other privileged characters: politicians and bureaucrats and their families and friends with political pull and doctors, nurses, other health-care professionals, and those who can rely on them for favors. This is called "professional courtesy."

32. COMMENTS Corporate leaders for socialized medicine. Jim Stanford, an economist with the canadian Auto Workers union, said employers who could operate in either country http://www.needlenose.com/pMachineFree2.2.1/comments.php?id=951_0_1_0_C12

33. American Conservative Union McCain bill introduced in the Senate this week to allow reimportation of prescription drugs would import canadian and European socialized medicine and price http://capwiz.com/acu/issues/alert/?alertid=5681801

34. The Dangers Of Socialized Medicine - Chapter 3 For example, in 1989 the average American spent about 40 percent more on health care than his canadian counterpart $2,354 versus $1,683. http://www.amatecon.com/etext/dosm/dosm-ch03.html

A Free Market for Health Care by Sheldon L. Richman Concerned about rising costs and the number of Americans without medical insurance, nearly everyone is worried these days about health care. Not a day goes by without a presidential candidate or a magazine calling for something drastic to be done. Each advocate maintains that his plan will bring skyrocketing costs under control, make health care accessible to low-income people, and bring health insurance within the reach of the 34 million Americans who currently do without it. But the American people are being handed a Hobson’s choice between a government takeover of the medical insurance industry and mandatory provision of insurance by the nation’s employers, with the government as insurer of last resort. There is a real alternative—a solution that relies on competition in the open marketplace. That solution recognizes that the undesirable aspects of the current system are not the result of the free market, but rather are the outcome of decades of governmental intervention in the health-care industry. Elimination of that intervention would shift power and responsibility from impersonal bureaucracies to consumers. The resulting free market, characterized by prudent consumers spending their own money, would control costs and let the American people have the kind of medical care they want. Those who call for greater governmental involvement are fond of comparing how much Americans spend on health care with how much is spent in other countries. For example, in 1989 the average American spent about 40 percent more on health care than his Canadian counterpart: $2,354 versus $1,683. The West Germans, French, Japanese, and Britons spent even less. The 12 percent of gross domestic product that the United States devoted to health care in 1991 ($650 billion) is double the portion so devoted in Great Britain. By the year 2000, total spending is expected to reach $1 trillion or 15 percent of gross domestic product. Costs are increasing at 15 percent a year, much more than the general rate of price increases. The cost of employer-provided medical insurance increased 21.6 percent from 1989 to 1990.

35. CheatHouse.com - Socialized Medicine: Misleadingly Successful and without the canadian higher tax The major reason the canadian health The in many countries The question of whether or not socialized medicine should be http://www.cheathouse.com/eview/35094-socialized-medicine-misleadingly-success.h

Socialized Medicine: Misleadingly Successful Medical-care is a basic right of life that the American public overwhelmingly believes should not be denied. The question of whether or not socialized medicine should be brought to the land of liberty and/or how America could better provide for the inali Socialized Medicine: Misleadingly Successful Note! The sentences in this essay are shuffled, making this essay unusable If you want to read the essay in it's original and proper state, click here. We use this page for our internal search engine, and it's not meant to be viewable. Controversial Issues Home Essays [LOGIN] ... 1995-2004, Loadstone

36. Nassau Institute - Socialized Medicine Is The Problem - Health by Walter Block. Recently, canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien changed his mind about his country s system of socialized medicine. http://www.nassauinstitute.org/wmprint.php?ArtID=412

37. The World Wide Rant - V3.0 So how well is socialized medicine working up north and across the pond? ..A key factor behind these statistics is the inability of the canadian system to http://www.worldwiderant.com/archives/001045.html

The World Wide Rant E-MAIL Hit Us Here INSTANT MESSAGE Andy or Tom April 2004 Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Search this site: MONTHLY ARCHIVES April 2004 March 2004 February 2004 January 2004 ... March 2002 LAST 10 ENTRIES They Suck I Use Chicken Blood, Myself Gideon's Word Crisis on the Dark Continent ... Main March 25, 2003 THE FAILURE OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE While being needlessly insulted by Bobby for not fitting into his black and white view of the world (honestly, the dimwit keeps referring to me as a Republican, go figure), I stumbled across some interesting facts about socialized healthcare. You see, according to Bobby, socialized healthcare is a panacea - why, if only the United States could follow the bold example set by the United Kingdom and Canada! So - how well is socialized medicine working up north and across the pond? Let's find out: Canada - from here For example, in its 2001 annual survey...the Fraser Institute, found that, for patients requiring surgery, the total average waiting time from the initial visit to the family doctor through to surgery was sixteen weeks.... ...A key factor behind these statistics is the inability of the Canadian system to provide even equipment deemed basic, let alone new technology...

38. Canadian Healthcare House Of Cards staff are responsible for the current problems in the canadian health care US experiences similar difficulties in its experiment in socialized medicine the VA http://yconservatives.com/Martin-72.html

Canadian healthcare house of cards No wonder “Nine out of ten Canadians feel that bad management, lack of funding and shortage of medical staff are responsible for the current problems in the Canadian health care system” Socialized systems are notorious for providing rations to the most politically powerful districts, and starving the politically weak or undesirable districts. Many people simply give up waiting and cross the border and pay for care in the US. The US experiences similar difficulties in its experiment in socialized medicine: the VA System. Powerful politicians constantly bicker over scarce healthcare resourced as they barter for more spending within their district. The final allocation of these resources has more to do with who is negotiating, than the healthcare needs of the electorate. Unless you have Ted Kennedy representing your district, you might as well take a seat and wait. To address these inequities and settle this issue once and for all, America should declare that it will not intervene if Canada is ever invaded, and impose a trade blockade preventing Canada from importing US manufactured healthcare products and drugs. If Canada continues to exist at all, cut off from its host the parasitic Canadian healthcare system would collapse without any sizable source of domestic drugs, medical supplies of instruments. Until America can rely on Canada to provide our national security, drugs, medical instruments and hospital supplies, the Canadian Healthcare System is not a realistic model for the US to follow. Turning the World’s healthcare host into a parasite would not only destroy the American healthcare system, it would also starve the parasitic systems that it feeds. For this very reason, Canada should pray that America never decides to copy its Parasitic Socialized System.

39. OpinionJournal - From The Heartland FROM THE HEARTLAND Premium Pain Relief socialized medicine is a real headache. use a fair amount of aspirinand because we had heard that canadian drug prices http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/tbray/?id=110002025

40. Alice In Universal Health-Care Land: Myths And Facts It has no more in common with socialized medicine than does the best and brightest from going into medicine. are so similar for US and canadian physicians that http://www.amsa.org/hp/myths.cfm

Jun 7, 2004 Site Directory AMSA Home Take Action: How to Get Involved Membership Advocacy ... The New Physician MYTH: It would cost too much money. FACT: A single-payer universal system would cost no more than we're already spending on health care, according to studies by the Congressional Budget Office, the General Accounting Office (GAO), the Lewin Group, and the Boston University School of Public Health. The GAO estimates if the United States changed to a universal single-payer system, it would save in the short run: $34 billion in insurance overhead and $33 billion in hospital and physician administrative costs. This savings would come from providing timely care to those who would otherwise delay care, thereby becoming sicker and more expensive to treat. The cost of serving the newly insured would be about $18 billion. The cost of providing additional services to the currently insured-due to elimination of co-pays and deductibles-would be about $46 billion. MYTH: It is socialized medicine. FACT: A single-payer universal health plan is not socialized medicine. Under socialized medicine, the government owns the hospitals and clinics. Doctors and nurses are government employees. A single-payer universal health plan preserves private ownership and employment. It has no more in common with socialized medicine than does Medicare. What's unique about a single-payer universal health plan is that all health-care risks are placed in a universal risk pool covering everyone.

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